tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5776587.post8537994487493125485..comments2023-11-03T04:00:24.785-04:00Comments on Kentucky School News and Commentary: Don Quixote Sues Kentucky Over Common CoreRichard Dayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14586435007687942849noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5776587.post-47809718935236613512013-12-14T22:12:56.106-05:002013-12-14T22:12:56.106-05:00Sounds like you have a complaint against a KDE Ne...Sounds like you have a complaint against a KDE News Release. Remind me, do KDE press releases have the effect of law?Richard Dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14586435007687942849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5776587.post-13172640510539614132013-12-11T12:56:44.910-05:002013-12-11T12:56:44.910-05:00Richard: I am interested in that sequence too. Th...Richard: I am interested in that sequence too. Thanks for your note on KDE’s final vote on June 9th 2010. I didn’t have that date.<br /><br />I have a call into KDE legal to see if I’m reading the regulation correctly, but if I am, 704, KAR 3:303 had been most recently revised in 2006 (33 Ky.R. 137; eff. 8-7-06)– well before all of this. The next revision does not occur until February 4, 2011 (37 Ky.R. 1015; eff. 2-4-2011). Then there’s a final revision this year (40 Ky.R. 136; 809; eff. 11-1-2013) with the note “Section 2. Incorporation by Reference. (1) The "Kentucky Core Academic Standards”, September 2013, is incorporated by reference.”<br /><br />Seems awfully late to me…but then, I am not accustomed to the flow of regulation writing and when things become official. That said, they certainly do not become official before a required final vote. If they did, no second vote would be necessary. So, I do not share your view that the first vote was legally determinative of anything. Symbolically however, it certainly said out loud where the state was headed.<br /><br />Since I was I the room for the big meeting I don’t need secondary reporting to verify what went on but I don’t have an argument with any of it. The three agencies launched their CCSS effort. But they did not finalize them. Everybody was reviewing CCSS drafts: College- and Career Readiness Standards since Sept 2009, and the K-12 standards, not finalized until March 2010, were being circulated. Ed week correctly reported that agency staff were directed “to begin incorporating the standards into their work.” Again, not final.<br /><br />I don’t see how David Adams overcomes the testimony (if it gets that far) of Kentucky folks who were reviewing drafts all along. <br /><br />Over on Susan Weston’s Facebook page yesterday is a small sample: Susan Perkins Weston: "…Kentucky put its very best people on making sure CCSS came into existence. Vicki Phillips is ours. Gene Wilhoit is ours. Harry Moberly and Kelly Flood, who shepherded our 2009 legislation to its final form, knew full well that CCSS was on the way, and they're ours, too. Ken Winters, who chaired the legislative oversight committee, used to call CCSSO and NGA regularly to ask why the standards weren't done yet. We chose, and we danced as we did it. Carol Edelen: and they posted every draft asking for comments all along the way. I had a say...and I did share!"<br /><br />I’m not sure what Adams is going to do when the state produces a few dozen of these folks to testify.<br /><br />Also, I believe Kentucky had been moving in this direction since the mid-80s. I outline what was going on here: http://kjectl.eku.edu/current-journal<br /><br />I don’t think the court (and certainly not Judge Shepherd, should he draw the case) will find the process to be particularly confusing. I do agree with you that the final CCSS adoption vote was very easy for Board members. They knew what they were adopting, if not down to the last letter, they definitely knew the great majority of the document. They already supported it in concept. Most were like Ken Winters and wanted to get it moving. <br /><br />If the courts begin to find confusion, or rushing, unconstitutional we’re all in trouble. : )<br />Richard Dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14586435007687942849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5776587.post-51679120985048866292013-12-10T21:37:42.635-05:002013-12-10T21:37:42.635-05:00Continuing RE: Susan Weston’s comment
Main line ...Continuing RE: Susan Weston’s comment <br /><br />Main line media also reported on the adoption taking place in February of 2010.<br /><br />For example, Education Week reported online on February 11, 2010 (one day after the adoption votes) that:<br /><br />“With a unanimous vote this month, the Kentucky board of education approved the substitution of the common standards in mathematics and English/language arts for the state’s own standards in those two subjects.<br /><br />Then, in a rare joint session, the panel met in Frankfort with the two boards that oversee teacher licensure and public higher education in the state and adopted a resolution directing the staffs of all three agencies to begin incorporating the standards into their work.”<br /><br /><br />(That EdWeek article is online here: http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2010/02/11/22kentucky_ep.h29.html?qs=Kentucky+adopts+Common+Core)<br /><br />Other responsible news agencies continue to support the fact that the adoption occurred in February 2010.<br /><br />For example, here is a Washington Post “The Answer Sheet Blog” entry where Chad Colby, director of Strategic Communications & Outreach for Achieve, says, <br /><br />“Actually, in February 2010, Kentucky became the first to adopt the Common Core standards before the final version was publicly released.”<br /><br />(Online here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2013/02/13/former-education-commissioner-blasts-common-core-process/)<br /><br />As a note, the KDE reported that the KBE did have another “final” vote on the incorporating regulation, 704, KAR 3:303 on June 9, 2010, a week after the Common Core State Standards final version was released (See KDE News Release 10-030, here: http://education.ky.gov/comm/news/Documents/R030kbe.pdf).<br /><br />However, the regulatory process requires the KBE to take two votes on each regulation. So, under any condition, the initial vote on 704 KAR 3:303 occurred well before the final CCSS document was released.<br /><br />I’ll let some of your teacher readers who have been struggling with the real meaning of Common Core comment on whether or not the KBE could really know “exactly what was being adopted” when they had only a week to read the final CCSS documentation before their final vote. That vote, in the end, was just a legal dotting of I’s and crossing of T’s for a firm commitment to adoption that had already been voted on back in February.<br /><br />I wonder if the courts will find the curiosity of two “final” votes to adopt CCSS of interest. It certainly speaks to a degree of confusion, if not rush, at the very least.<br />Richard Inneshttp://www.bipps.org/blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5776587.post-46205981307648442532013-12-10T21:36:08.880-05:002013-12-10T21:36:08.880-05:00RE: Susan Weston’s comment
In the interest of pr...RE: Susan Weston’s comment <br /><br />In the interest of properly sequencing the events<br /><br />There is extensive documentation that the Kentucky Board of Education, the CPE and EPSB adopted the CCSS sight unseen in February 2010, well before the final version of the standards was released. <br /><br />The February adoption was well reported at that time. <br /><br />For example, KBE News Release 10-008 from February 10, 2010 says:<br /><br />“The board gave final approval to revisions to 704 KAR 3:303, the state regulation that outlines the requirements for the Program of Studies for Grades Primary-12. The regulation has been modified to change the name of the document to Kentucky’s Core Academic Standards. The board’s action also replaces the mathematics and reading/language arts standards in the current Program of Studies with new Common Core Standards being developed in collaboration with other states in order to implement the changes required by 2009’s Senate Bill 1 (KRS 158.6453).”<br /><br />(Online here: http://education.ky.gov/comm/news/Documents/R008kbe.pdf)<br /><br />The news release makes it quite evident that adoption took place well before the final version of CCSS became available in early June 2010.<br /><br />Later the same day, another KDE News Release, 10-009 (online here: http://education.ky.gov/comm/news/Documents/R009jointmeeting.pdf) reported:<br /><br />“In joint meeting this evening, the chairs of the Kentucky Board of Education, the Council on Postsecondary Education and the Education Professional Standards Board signed a resolution directing their respective agencies to implement the Common Core State Standards in English/language arts and mathematics, formalizing Kentucky’s agreement to integrate the standards into the state’s public education system.<br /><br />With this action, Kentucky becomes the first state to formally accept the standards.”<br /> (end part 1)Richard Inneshttp://www.bipps.org/blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5776587.post-44579429157585938742013-11-22T12:39:39.489-05:002013-11-22T12:39:39.489-05:00I don't have any problem with the standards. ...I don't have any problem with the standards. Its just the darn changing them every three or four years that is the biggest waste of time and money. For goodness sake, just pick something and stick with it so educators can dig in and start moving in a long term direction with students. Curriculum and assessment in this state has become a moving target the last two decades. If I was going to a doctor and had this many interventions and diagnosis, I would have found a new physician by this time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5776587.post-44291505365680520112013-11-19T14:15:20.041-05:002013-11-19T14:15:20.041-05:00There appears to be a confusion between the celebr...There appears to be a confusion between the celebration and the regulation. The 2010 edition of the Kentucky Core Academic Standards became official through 704 KAR 3:303. That process was only possible when the KCAS text could include the final Common Core text: KBE knew exactly what was being adopted, and the legislative panels that reviewed the regulation also knew exactly what was being adopted. Yes, I remember the big party in February 2010 when the three agencies agreed they knew enough about Common Core to decide it was the right direction for the state. But for legal purposes and especially for judicial ones, the real decision was based on the final document.SPWestonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08602329486466534720noreply@blogger.com